I am fortunate to live in London. I know of no other city in the world that boasts at least three full-time publicly available wrestling venues. Pippa's renowned facility in Manchester is a mere 2 hours away by train and that, in my mind, makes four. I am not counting private facilities in people's homes although there are some great examples.

In my opinion Monica's excellent wrestling centre is the best example of what can be achieved. In the heart of in a suburb of London we have a venue that is clean, safe, perfectly equipped, private, spacious and large enough to absorb substantial gatherings. This is a venue created by a person whose passion for wrestling is as great as anybody else's here. I would like to pay enormous tribute to Monica for creating this labour of love with her own resources and determination. She is truly at the heart of this community and I remain horrified and appalled that she was cast out of this site.

Then there is Pippas in Manchester. Gritty but just incredibly iconic. The thump of bodies on canvass in the ring and the muffled grunts from behind the closed doors of the side rooms and the clink of teacups in the hands of sweaty people on the kitchen couches. Amazing.

I am reminded, on my many trips to Scotland, of life without such facilities. Wrestling in a hotel room on a plastic sheet is a long way from climbing up steps into the ring, under the lights and into your fantasy. I am quite sure that wrestlers in many parts of the world will nod their heads in envious agreement.

To my mind Meetfighters, without these venues, is only half a world. These venues, the people who put them together and keep them open and available, the people who organise the groups and the meets and the people who turn up and get stuck in are the heroes of this community. They are the people who make it all real; without them there would be far fewer recommendations, far fewer past opponents and far less credibility for us all.

Last year I had to cancel half a dozen prearranged wrestling matches. In some cases what had been an enthusiastic lineup of 6 to 8 men gradually dwindled to nothing as excuse after excuse poured in. This is not some generic beef about cancellations and no shows (tempting!). I would like to impress on people that when a session of that type falls apart in that way there are two consequences. One is that it might be too late for Monica/Pippa to make that prime Saturday timeslot available to somebody else. The second is that somebody, and where I am the person booking the venue it has been me, has moral obligation to pay for the session anyway which is galling.

Running a venue like that is not for free. Somebody has to pay the rent. Somebody has to pay the council tax and insurance. Somebody has to pay the electricity, stock the loo with soap and toilet paper and whatever. Allow for the possibility, or even likelihood, that a venue like Walthamstow or Pippas makes very little profit and that what profit it makes is ploughed back into essential maintenance including safety. Anybody who has ever run any kind of project will know that if it makes a loss somebody somewhere has to make that loss good out of their own pocket. Sooner or later that will cause the project to fall apart unless the person is fantastically rich.

The price we pay for playing fast and loose with the wrestling matches that we arrange in these excellent facilities is at least the lack of inward investment and at worst the possibility that we may lose them. I would plead with anybody with whom I make an arrangement which involves a booking at any of these facilities to keep to it.

Be a hero - keep to your arrangements. Just for one day.

Last edited on 1/14/2018 11:57 AM by Ironbull

Comments (7)

scotsgrappler (143 platinum) 1/11/2018 9:01 PM

Having had exactly the same experience/s, I endorse the sentiments and share the recommendations for both fun venues - run by great women.


surrey71 (27 platinum) 1/11/2018 10:25 PM

I arranged a group at Pippas last year that left me out of pocket after 15 people dwindled to 7 - after pre-agreeing the cost of renting the venue.
A couple were true injuries, those I understand but too many just didn’t bother showing up - but it was their loss as it was an awesome afternoon!
We do have the most accessible faculties run by those with a passion for the sport! Long may they continue to give us somewhere safe to meet!


Rock Hard Pete (55 bronze) 1/11/2018 10:33 PM

I am so grateful to you Ed and also to Andy (Tano) in Barnet for organising your group meetings. Without them wrestling in London would be so much poorer. Not turning up when someone has gone to time and trouble to organise a meeting shows a lack of personal integrity, commitment and basic respect for not only the organiser but also to the other participants. Unfortunately this is now common everywhere, not only in wrestling with people frequently missing appointments for doctors and even interviews, just because they can't be bothered to turn up. The worst of it is that there is frequently no apology, or if any, a pathetic feeble excuse.
Unfortunately there is no mechanism on Meetfighters to get people to pay in advance and there are a lot of members who are fantasists. I looked yesterday at the statistics page and discovered that nearly half of the membership had no previous opponents. Regrettably this did not surprise me.
The only solution is to invite more people than you want, knowing that some of them will not turn up, but then Sod's law means that they all will!


Boots Hartman (5 platinum) 1/11/2018 11:05 PM

You are a an of considerable integrity, IronBull. I know what it is to be an organizer and to be let down by no-shows, who have no sense of the irresponsibility of those who register and then cancel ... or just not show up. You're the one making the real commitment. I salute you. London is better place for your honor and your grasp of commitment. Bravo, sir.


Jimmy Elijah (54 bronze) 1/12/2018 4:07 PM

Why was Monica cast out of the site is the real question.


Vanman (87 ) 1/12/2018 6:59 PM

And the shame, was on the other side

Oh, we can beat them, forever and ever
Then we could be heroes, just for one day



Andy Bluebear (5 bronze) 1/12/2018 7:04 PM

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People in the UK are luckier than most...not every country has mat and ring rooms available for rent.